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I agree with the bare essence of what 28 said. It's well known around here that I am very afraid, and with good reason, to have any contact of any sort with AGs under the age of 18. It's not wise, and because I am out of the toybox I am particularly vulnerable to getting accused of something. Some busybody who doesn't know me very well but who knows of me and my preferences can suddenly enter the picture and decide to make my life a waking nightmare. I could end up blackmailed by some less than scrupulous girl. Not all girls we may come into contact with will have good intentions or be good people, and I think 28 is wise to make this clear. However, I will say that 28 did an uncharacteristically poor job of explaining himself in this post. He really should have made a few things clear that, much to my surprise, he didn't do. For instance, he should have made it clear that if a LG or an AG give consent and find such activity pleasurable, it can in no way be considered abuse in a real, demonstrable sense. However, later in life, she may become engulfed in mainstream views, may develop a strong anti ideology, and as a result, she may look back on such contact as "abusive" and initiate charges against a man she once loved and shared pleasurable moments with. I do not think such a thing is common, however. Based on my ten years in this community, I have met many women who were loved girls and they were most often in great disagreement with society that they were in any way abused by adults they may have willingly shared intimate moments with in their youth. Nevertheless, you never can tell what the character of the girl you shared such moments with will turn out to be in the future. As Goethe importantly mentioned, there are now monetary incentives offered to girls who feel they were "abused" to seek out lawyers and drag their former adult lovers into civil court. Some girls grow up to enjoy attention and sympathy, and will cry "rape" against any number of guys whom they shared consensual relationships with. This is why I not only advise all MAAs to avoid becoming close with any girl in their AoA, but I also tell guys I know to avoid forming relationships with women of legal age who make it clear they have severe emotional problems or are known as chronic liars and attention-seekers, and to always avoid intimacy with women or girls who are not sober. These situations can come back to bite you on the ass, and as such, we need to be careful in this era which, as 28 described, is "sexually schitzopherenic." Now, as per your concern that people on this board cater to the anti-choice element amongst us. I prefer 'anti-choice' to 'anti-contact' because I am non-contact myself out of legal necessity, but I am ideologically pro-choice. I have fought the anti-choice people in this community stringently through the years, as well as some of the less savory members of the pro-choice faction. I often state that we should strongly avoid forming close friendships with girls in our AoA due to the extreme danger that 28 mentioned, but I am in no way anti-choice, and I in no way support or endorse the negative and disrespectful opinions towards younger people that the anti-contact element in our community has. I am likewise not an "innocence junkie" in any way, shape, or form. And I in no way support the anti-choice crowd's assimiliationist ideology and goals. At the same time, I only work with pro-choice individuals who are truly ethical and who truly respect younger people for their full potential. Of course, this type of avoidance behavior is in itself a double edged sword, because it has been pointed out to me recently that if we avoid all contact with youths under 18, we will fail to make it clear that we are capable of making beneficial contributions to their lives, that we can be the best mentors to younger people in the world, and we can even understand and appreciate them as human beings better than the great majority of Nons can. So what decision should one make? Since I am out of the toybox, my choice is clear. I have to make my common human decency and beneficience to younger people clear in ways entirely apart from forming friendships or any sort of social liaison with them. Others may see things differently, and may be in a position where they can take these risks. I think the words of both sides of the issue should be carefully considered. But my reasons for avoiding contact with AGs in my main AoA has nothing whatsoever to do with the anti-choice ideology, nor do I endorse their mainstream views in any way, and I just wanted to make that clear. It's entirely a matter of personal security in my case, not a belief that mutually consensual romantic/sexual activity is in anyway inherently harmful to someone simply because they happen to be much younger than the person they shared intimacy with. This particular issue is a major conundrum faced by this community, and it's something that each and every one of us need to think about and consider strongly before making the decision to befriend a girl in our respective AoA. ![]() ![]() |